Just on that last point, I'm increasingly concerned about the lack of emphasis that seems to be in the public service these days on the ability to do the job and the lack of emphasis on experience, life experience. In terms of people I question who've been interviewed to go into the public service, experience no longer seems to matter. In my view, it should.
Therefore, I'd ask you these two questions: How much does experience matter in terms of getting into the public service; and how much does the ability to do the job matter in terms of getting into the public service?
I'll tell you what I mean. Within the public service now you can transfer from Veterans Affairs to Agriculture. You get first priority because you're in the public service, but you might not know a damn thing about agriculture. That's part of the problem.
Could you answer that question? After that, we'll have to move on.