We've talked about productivity for decades, but we haven't done anything about it. The problem with our labour-skilling strategies is that I'm all for upskilling but then our economic development strategies.... I could give you numerous examples of taxpayer funds saying, come to Canada because our people are cheap, and then what happens is the best people say, I'm getting out of here because I'm not going to be sold as cheap labour. Then what happens is, in the best sectors where there's negative unemployment, these companies come and poach our best people just at critical times when companies are growing, and this is done without consultation with the tech leaders. I can happily give you 20 of the top tech CEOs in Ottawa who just met with the provinces on this, and they do all kinds of programs without talking to them.
I've never met a country in the world, except Canada, where we do major policies without talking to our economic innovators when it comes to innovation.
To answer the question, it's nuanced. It's interrelated to FDI strategies and so on, and you have to talk to the companies because that's how you find out what they need.