One of the things we've heard is that whatever else happens, it's going to cost a lot of money to be able to build an adequate amount of social and affordable housing, and there's a lot of emphasis on the cost.
Are you aware of any efforts to quantify the cost of not having this housing? We also hear from business owners who say that they can't attract talent to come work for them because there's no place to house the workforce. Are you aware of efforts to quantify the cost of not building housing so that we're not just talking about how much it costs to get that housing there?
I'll go first to Dr. MacKinnon, and then I see that another witness has put her hand up.
It's Ms. Bolduc. I think she has to leave soon.