I think Governor Macklem was correct yesterday when he said that over 2% growth in spending for governments doesn't help him to bring inflation back to 2%. That's just a factual thing. I don't want to go into the politics of it. It's just math.
We need to go back to 2%. I think the governor is keen to go back to 2%. He understands the importance of it. We, as a country, have decided that 2% is important for inflation and for price stability, and the more time it takes, the more painful it will be for Canadians, unfortunately.