Evidence of meeting #121 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was grocery.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Amanda Riddell  Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Mark Schaan  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry
Pierre Mercille  Director General, Sales Tax Legislation, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Ian Lee  Associate Professor, Sprott School of Business, Carleton University, As an Individual
Keldon Bester  Exective Director, Canadian Anti-Monopoly Project
Marie-Josée Houle  Federal Housing Advocate, Office of the Federal Housing Advocate, Canadian Human Rights Commission
Matthew Boswell  Commissioner of Competition, Competition Bureau Canada
Timothy Ross  Executive Director, Co-operative Housing Federation of Canada
Sara Eve Levac  Lawyer, Option consommateurs
Carlos Castiblanco  Economist and Analyst, Option consommateurs
Anthony Durocher  Deputy Commissioner, Competition Promotion Branch, Competition Bureau Canada
Samir Chhabra  Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Brett Capwell  Committee Researcher

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

Would it apply to somebody who purchases a duplex?

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Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

Would it apply to somebody who purchases a triplex?

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Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

What about somebody who wants to buy a trailer in a trailer park?

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Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

So, it only applies to purpose-built rentals that are in excess of four units.

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Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Amanda Riddell

That's right.

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

If a Canadian wants to buy a unit in a trailer park, why doesn't that Canadian get the enhanced rebate?

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Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Amanda Riddell

If you're buying something in a trailer park, it's tantamount to owner-occupied housing, and this rebate is intended to help purpose-built rentals, not owned units.

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

What if they want to rent out the trailer?

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Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Amanda Riddell

If it's in a purpose-built rental format where there are four-plus units together in one building—

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

No, it's a single unit that they want to rent out. Would they get the rebate?

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Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

What about a young family that just wants to realize the dream of home ownership? Do they get the enhanced rebate?

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Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Amanda Riddell

No, they don't.

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

Let me ask you this question: Once the act is passed, how soon after it's passed will grocery prices actually go down?

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Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Amanda Riddell

I can't speak to the grocery prices.

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

What about housing prices?

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Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Amanda Riddell

They wouldn't go down immediately, no.

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

How long?

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Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Amanda Riddell

The purpose-built rental rebate is intended to encourage new supply, and new supply takes a while to come onto the market.

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

How much new supply have you calculated will be created by this legislative change?

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Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Amanda Riddell

We haven't identified the number of units specifically. That's a very difficult number to come up with because it's based on a lot of assumptions.

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Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

Then you don't know if it would be one or 100,000.