Evidence of meeting #142 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was budget.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Lindsay Gwyer  Director General, Legislation, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Peter Repetto  Senior Director, International Tax, Department of Finance
Gervais Coulombe  Acting Director General, Sales Tax Division, Department of Finance
Pierre Leblanc  Director General, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Christopher Bowen  Director General, Benefit Programs Directorate, Assessment, Benefit and Service Branch, Canada Revenue Agency
Adnan Khan  Director General, Business Returns Directorate; Assessment, Benefit and Service Branch, Canada Revenue Agency
Maximilian Baylor  Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Department of Finance
David Messier  Director, International Taxation Section, Business Income Tax Division, Department of Finance
Tyler Minty  Director, Industrial Decarbonisation Taxation, Department of Finance
Priceela Pursun  Director General, International and Large Business Directorate, Compliance Programs Branch, Canada Revenue Agency
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger

6:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Chair, am I an associate member? Could you check your records?

Maybe the clerk can clarify.

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

We're suspended.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

We're back.

We have received the substitution.

Go ahead on the point of order.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you, Chair.

My first point of order is that I would have had a right to raise a point of order regardless of whether or not I was substituted in.

My second point of order, though, is to Mr. Turnbull's point. He is misleading the committee. Our Conservative leader put forward three specific demands in relation to the budget. They were to axe the carbon tax, remove gatekeepers—

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Hold on for one second.

The substitution has actually not gone through. Unless MP Hallan leaves the room, you are not subbed in to the committee.

I'll return to Mr. Turnbull.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I'm sorry. On a point of order, Chair, maybe the clerk can clarify, but I don't need to be subbed in to raise a point of order.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Ryan Turnbull Liberal Whitby, ON

I think I have the floor, do I not, Chair?

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

You have the floor, MP Turnbull.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Ryan Turnbull Liberal Whitby, ON

Thank you very much.

As I was saying, we tried to achieve consensus with the Conservatives. Obviously, they weren't willing to work together.

May 21st, 2024 / 7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

I have a point of order.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Go ahead on a point of order, MP Chambers.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Are you making a ruling that Mr. Genuis does not have the ability to make a point of order? Is that a ruling you're making?

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

No, what I'm saying, MP Chambers, is that MP Turnbull has the floor. MP Genuis has not been subbed in as of yet.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Is that a ruling you're making? Can you confirm with the clerk whether that's a question of privilege?

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

We'll suspend again.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

We're back.

To answer MP Chambers, members cannot just walk through the door and start screaming out “point of order”.

7:10 p.m.

An hon. member

Yes, they can.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

You cannot.

MP Turnbull, you have the floor.

7:10 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

On a point of order, Chair, I didn't just walk through the door. I was elected by the constituents of Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan to represent them in this House of Commons.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Continue, MP Turnbull.

7:10 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I was named an associate member of this committee, which means I have a right to raise points of order.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

MP Turnbull, you have the floor.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

Ryan Turnbull Liberal Whitby, ON

This is another example, Chair—

7:10 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

On a point of order, are you going to let me to speak or is this going to become a matter of privilege?