Finance Committee on May 7th, 2024

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

On a point of order, Chair, my understanding is that you can't move a motion—

[Marty Morantz, Conservative, Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB]

I'm not moving it. I'm reading it into the record.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Jasraj Singh Hallan]

Mr. Morantz—

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

It's highly inappropriate. It's not relevant to the—

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Jasraj Singh Hallan]

Mr. Turnbull, Mr. Morantz is reading a motion into the record, not moving a motion currently.

Mr. Morantz, you have the floor. I would just suggest that you read the motion again.

[Marty Morantz, Conservative, Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB]

I'm not sure where I left off, so I'll just start from the beginning, Mr. Chair, if that's all right. “Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and with regard to section 72 of the”—

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

On a point of order, Chair, are you ruling that it is in order for Mr. Morantz to put on notice a motion during a debate on a subamendment?

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Jasraj Singh Hallan]

Mr. Turnbull, as I indicated, Mr. Morantz is neither putting a motion on notice nor moving a motion right now. He's reading into the record a motion that pertains to his remarks because he has the floor right now. He did not indicate at all that he would be moving or putting one on notice.

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

Chair, is that your ruling?

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Jasraj Singh Hallan]

I'm not sure what ruling is there. Mr. Morantz is not moving a motion right now or putting one on notice. Neither of those things is happening, which is what your question was about. Is Mr. Morantz allowed to read out a motion? Is he allowed to put it on notice, or is he allowed to move it? He's doing neither of the last two things. He's just reading out a motion, as far as I see.

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

Chair, my understanding, just for clarification, is that if he's reading a motion into the record, he's putting it on notice, and that is not appropriate—

[Marty Morantz, Conservative, Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

—given the fact that he's on a subamendment. That means he cannot put a motion on notice, and I would like a ruling on that if possible.

[Marty Morantz, Conservative, Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB]

On that point of order, Mr. Chair....

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Jasraj Singh Hallan]

Colleagues, as the clerk has clarified for me, you can read a motion either to put it on notice or to move it. In my opinion, neither is being done right now. Mr. Morantz is simply reading a motion that's on notice; he is not moving it. That was not his intent, and Mr. Morantz can clear that up. Is he intending to move a motion, is he intending to read it into the record or is he intending to put it on notice? As far as I know, it has already been put on notice, and maybe Mr. Morantz can clarify whether he's just reading it into the record or he's moving it.

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

Chair, if I may, I would say that it's not relevant, though, to the subamendment. How is he reading something into the record or allowed to do so if it is not relevant? That's a legitimate point of order. I can refer to the standing order if you'd like, but I think you know that calling a point of order on relevance is legitimate, so I'd like to call relevance.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Jasraj Singh Hallan]

Mr. Turnbull, that was not your question originally. In your original question to begin with, you were asking me if he was allowed to move a motion or put it on notice. That was your original question.

What you have asked now is completely different from that. I will point that out, and I think, given the discussion, Mr. Morantz is reading into the record a summary of where we're at. I know that he did mention the Minister of Finance in his remarks, based back on the letter on money laundering and where we got to here. I feel that clarified what you were originally asking, so I'll turn the floor back over to Mr. Morantz.

[Marty Morantz, Conservative, Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I realize that Mr. Turnbull is new to the committee, so I'll just bring to his attention that on Tuesday, March 19, a motion was put on notice. This is the motion that I'm reading into the record. I'm not putting it on notice and I'm not moving it, but I think it's relevant to the discussion of the subamendment, which calls for the Minister of Finance to appear at this committee. That speaks to my intent with respect to reading the motion and relevance.

I'll continue.

It reads, “Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and with regard to section 72 of the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act, the committee undertake a study to review the act and the current situation regarding money laundering and terrorist financing in Canada; that as part of the study, the committee call the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance for no fewer than two hours, the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada for no fewer than two hours, the Minister of Public Safety—

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

I have a point of order, Chair.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Jasraj Singh Hallan]

Go ahead on a point of order, Mr. Turnbull.

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

I still cannot understand the relevance of this intervention in relation to the subamendment. It's not relevant. It's clearly not relevant to the subamendment on Mark Carney, which is what we're debating.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Jasraj Singh Hallan]

Mr. Turnbull, I will say that this is I think the third time I'm answering to this point. I did, in my intervention before this, explain that there was a tie-in, I felt, between what Mr. Morantz was talking about in talking about the Minister of Finance, who is in the subamendment, tying it back to the letter that she had sent to this committee, to the chair, and that the relevance is based on that.

This is, I think, the third time. I will turn the floor back over to Mr. Morantz again.

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

Chair, can I clarify?

[Don Davies, NDP, Vancouver Kingsway, BC]

Could I speak to the point of order briefly?

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Jasraj Singh Hallan]

Yes. Go ahead, Mr. Davies.