MP Viersen, it's about recognizing a member or a senator who was not sitting at the table, not subbed into the committee, not recognized—when we had, actually, a member who was in the middle of debate, speaking here at committee—who came in and just interrupted at the table. No, they do need some implied consent from the members, and I did not see that for MP Genuis when he came in. That is what took place.
Once he was substituted in, sure, then the member was recognized and he was able to speak, but prior to that, that was not the case.