Evidence of meeting #144 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was health.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michael Hammond  Chief Financial Officer, Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions
Luc Bisson  Acting Assistant Commissioner, Policy, Correctional Service of Canada
Maximilian Baylor  Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Department of Finance
Andre Arbour  Director General, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Kirsten Fraser  Director, Financial Services Division, Department of Finance
Peter Repetto  Senior Director, International Tax, Department of Finance
Babak Mahmoudi Ayough  Advisor, Housing Policy and Research, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation
Jonathan Wallace  Director General, Canada Student Financial Assistance Program, Department of Employment and Social Development
Hugues Vaillancourt  Director General, Social Policy Directorate, Department of Employment and Social Development
Alexander Bonnyman  Director, Debt Management, Department of Finance
Lindsay Gwyer  Director General, Legislation, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Carl Desmarais  Director General, Inland Enforcement Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency
Celia Lourenco  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Products and Food Branch, Department of Health
Stefania Bartucci  Director, Strategic Projects, Personal Income Tax Division, Department of Finance
Matthew Boldt  Acting Senior Director, Housing Finance, Department of Finance
Sherry Stevenson  Executive Director, Fresh Roots Urban Farm Society
Kevin Murphy  Chief Executive Officer, OneClose
Vivek Dehejia  Associate Professor of Economics and Philosophy, Carleton University, As an Individual
Tom Elliott  Doctor, BC Diabetes Foundation
Ramya Hosak  BC Diabetes Foundation
W. Scott Thurlow  Senior Advisor, Government Affairs, Dow Canada
Jeff Loomis  Executive Director, Momentum
Wendy V. Norman  Professor, CART Contraception Research Lab, University of British Columbia, Public Health Agency of Canada
Vincent Lambert  General Secretary, Union québécoise des microdistilleries
Jessica Oliver  Head, Government and Regulatory Relations, Wealthsimple Investment Inc.

10:20 a.m.

Director, Financial Services Division, Department of Finance

Kirsten Fraser

Okay.

The objective of the framework is to establish a system for all entities and all Canadians with the aim of ensuring that all Canadians have equal protections and equal access when they decide to provide their financial data.

The framework is the first step. We are continuing to work with all stakeholders, including the provincial governments and regulatory agencies, to avoid federal barriers to participation in the system.

10:20 a.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Okay—

10:20 a.m.

Director, Financial Services Division, Department of Finance

Kirsten Fraser

However, yes, the system is optional for credit co‑operatives.

10:20 a.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

The framework is optional, but if credit co‑operatives want to compete with the banks and participate in the open banking system, they will have to comply with the framework, which is under federal jurisdiction.

That means that rather than simply ensuring that a common technical standard is adopted for all financial institutions, the framework will duplicate what already exists in the provinces, in terms of the protections and regulation of relationships between consumers and financial services providers.

During testimony at the Senate committee, we understood that the laws of Quebec and the provinces could continue to apply. However, there then would be duplication. Rather than have a harmonized common standard, as was done in the case of securities, an institution under provincial jurisdiction will have to comply with the province's standards, such as consumer protection standards, and also the federal standards.

For provincial financial institutions, this will double their responsibilities, and that will undermine their competitiveness vis-à-vis the federal financial institutions. Do you agree with that reading?

10:20 a.m.

Director, Financial Services Division, Department of Finance

Kirsten Fraser

As I said, the framework is the first step. [Technical difficulty—Editor]

10:20 a.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Unfortunately, Ms. Fraser, the connection seems—

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

I'll interrupt. We are having challenges with connectivity.

MP Ste-Marie, we are not getting the connectivity that we need to continue for the interpretation.

10:20 a.m.

Director, Financial Services Division, Department of Finance

Kirsten Fraser

Right. I apologize.

10:20 a.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

That seems to be better.

10:20 a.m.

Director, Financial Services Division, Department of Finance

Kirsten Fraser

It seems to be better when I turn my camera off.

10:20 a.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Yes.

10:20 a.m.

Director, Financial Services Division, Department of Finance

Kirsten Fraser

I will repeat what I was saying.

When it comes to common rules in the banking system, it is important, first, to note that those rules apply to the system, to the activities that come within the system. The interaction with the—

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

I'm sorry. I'm going to have to interrupt again. It's just not possible. The interpreters are not able to do their jobs with the sound we have.

We can ask, MP Ste-Marie, if you would like a response in writing.

10:20 a.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Yes, Mr. Chair.

I will send the department a series of questions to which I would like to get answers in writing, if possible. I would like to receive the answers fairly quickly, given that we are moving on to clause-by-clause consideration on Tuesday.

In the next round of questions, I will be asking questions about another part of the bill.

I see my speaking time has run out.

10:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Okay.

I would request the department, to the best of its ability, to provide those answers to MP Ste-Marie, please.

MP Ste-Marie, you have approximately another minute and 20 seconds.

10:25 a.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Okay.

I would like to ask some questions about the global minimum tax. I don't know whether the person—

10:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Yes, they're coming to the table.

If you could introduce yourself, please.

May 30th, 2024 / 10:25 a.m.

Peter Repetto Senior Director, International Tax, Department of Finance

I'm Peter Repetto. I'm a director in the tax policy branch at the Department of Finance.

10:25 a.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Thank you, Mr. Repetto. I am pleased to see you at the committee again.

I would like to talk about the global minimum tax. What is there in Bill C-69 that determines what share goes to the federal government and what share goes to the provinces?

10:25 a.m.

Senior Director, International Tax, Department of Finance

Peter Repetto

In the proposed global minimum tax act, which is in part 2 of the bill, there are no provisions relating to the allocation of revenues between the federal government and provincial governments. There, I'm speaking of revenues that are projected to result from the application of this new global minimum tax.

10:25 a.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Okay; thank you.

I will have more questions to ask during the next round of questions.

10:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

MP Ste-Marie, that is the time.

We will do all we can, I think, through the department, to get you some written answers to the questions that you posed.

We are now going to MP Davies for six minutes.

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

For efficiency, I intend to explore the following areas: the prohibition on the purchase of residential property, the school nutrition program, immigration detention, Canada student loan forgiveness and the food and drugs act.

I could maybe ask those responsible for those areas to please come forward.

10:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

If you can make your way to the table, please do. Again, introduce yourselves before answering any question that is put to you.

Go ahead, MP Davies.

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Thank you.

In terms of the Prohibition on the Purchase of Residential Property by Non-Canadians Act, which is being extended by the budget, what has been the impact of this prohibition, so far, particularly on housing prices, and what might be expected in 2025 and 2026?