Evidence of meeting #147 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was clauses.
A recording is available from Parliament.
11:20 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
What's been asked for is a clause-by-clause vote on these clauses. We will start with clause 391.
11:20 a.m.
Conservative
11:20 a.m.
NDP
Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC
I asked for a recorded vote, but I would defer to my colleague Ms. Kwan on that.
11:20 a.m.
NDP
Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC
I would prefer to have a recorded vote, if we may.
(Clause 391 negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)
(Clause 397 negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)
(Clause 400 negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)
(Clause 401 negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)
(Clause 403 negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)
11:25 a.m.
Conservative
Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON
Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.
We may be willing to group these up until clause 412 and have a recorded division.
11:25 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
Thank you, MP Chambers.
Because there are some clauses in between that have amendments, we can do clauses 404, 405, 408 and 411. We could group all of those.
11:25 a.m.
Conservative
Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB
Can we do clauses 413 to 432 inclusive as well?
11:25 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
No. Those are not part of it.
What we're voting on right now, members, are clauses 404, 405, 408 and 411.
Is that on division?
11:25 a.m.
Conservative
11:25 a.m.
Bloc
11:25 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
I'm sorry. I did not look at the screen and I missed that.
MP Kwan, you had your hand up. I apologize.
11:25 a.m.
NDP
Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
I believe that, if these clauses are defeated, the amendments would not apply. Clauses 403 to 411 inclusive are NDP amendments, but they would only be applicable if these clauses were not defeated. If the vote is to defeat all of these clauses, the amendments would not apply.
Does that make sense?
11:25 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
MP Kwan, right now, the clauses that we cited, and that I spoke on and said we would be voting on, are clauses that do not have any amendments.
11:25 a.m.
NDP
Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC
That's correct.
I think the comment was made that there is a willingness to group all of these clauses up until clause 411 and do an on-division vote. If that's the case, amendments NDP-23, NDP-24 and NDP-24.1 would not apply. We would not be moving those amendments if all of these clauses are defeated. That is to say, if the committee wishes to proceed with doing an on-division vote up to clause 411, that would be fine and I won't move those amendments.
Does that make sense?
11:30 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
MP Kwan, when we get to the amended clauses, you can move them at that time, or you can decide not to move them at that time.
11:30 a.m.
Liberal
Ryan Turnbull Liberal Whitby, ON
I have a point of order.
Could we suspend for a moment to get organized here? I feel like we're going off the rails on this. It's just for a quick minute or two.
11:30 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
Okay, we'll suspend. Let's get back in order again.
Where we left off, we had just voted on clause 403. That's where we are.
Thank you.
11:55 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
We're back.
To recap where we left off, we had just voted on clause 403.
We're on clause 404.
11:55 a.m.
Bloc
Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I'd like to ask Ms. Kwan a question.
Before the committee suspended earlier, she told us that rejecting the clauses we're getting ready to vote on might limit the impact of her amendments.
So I'd like to know what position she suggests that the committee adopt. Should we vote for or against these clauses?
11:55 a.m.
NDP
Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC
If the committee members vote against these provisions, which the NDP intends to, then when we get to the amendment stage, we will withdraw those amendments because they won't be necessary anymore. Those amendments were drawn up in the event that these clauses were passed. This is in relation to the asylum seekers component.
When we get to the detention component, there are provisions that the NDP will vote against, and then we will have NDP amendments to go through, which are NDP-26.1 and also NDP-27.1.
Because the structure of your system is that we can't do the clauses where there are amendments, we have to deal with them separately, which is different from the system I'm used to. If these get defeated, then it's not necessary to move the amendments, but on the detention piece, amendments will be necessary.
Does that help?
11:55 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca
Does that help, MP Ste-Marie?
I think he's frozen.
MP Ste. Marie, you're frozen. You are smiling; it caught you in a good freeze there.
We can get to these, and, MP Kwan, when we get to those that have amendments, we'll then have an opportunity for that.
PS Turnbull.
