Evidence of meeting #152 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was business.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Olivier Jacques  Assistant Professor, School of Public Health, Université de Montréal, As an Individual
Antoine Genest-Grégoire  Assistant Professor, Department of Taxation, Université de Sherbrooke, As an Individual
Claire Trottier  Philanthropist, As an Individual
Montana Wilson  Chief Executive Officer and Founder, GRIT Engineering, As an Individual
Heidi Yetman  President, Canadian Teachers' Federation

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

You don't agree that money printing or increasing the value of assets leads to more wealth inequality?

5:20 p.m.

Assistant Professor, School of Public Health, Université de Montréal, As an Individual

Olivier Jacques

On that, I agree. You asked about inflation, which is different.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Okay.

Over the last few years, what we've seen is huge asset price inflation, driven by money printing and cheap debt, which has increased the value of assets and which is actually responsible for producing wealth inequality. Maybe the government should be concerned about the things that gave rise to inflation. That might be something the government would consider addressing.

Ms. Yetman, I noticed that when you listed the programs that you were very happy the government was introducing, you didn't mention pharmacare. I'm just curious as to whether your members support pharmacare, as you are speaking on behalf of your members. Do they support the single-payer pharmacare program, or would they like to keep their plan?

5:20 p.m.

President, Canadian Teachers' Federation

Heidi Yetman

No, I did mention pharmacare. You probably didn't hear me.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

On behalf of your members, you support leaving—

5:20 p.m.

President, Canadian Teachers' Federation

Heidi Yetman

I think pharmacare is really important. I am not an expert in that, and I don't know—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

May I ask a question?

5:20 p.m.

President, Canadian Teachers' Federation

Heidi Yetman

Yes, go right ahead.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Do you support getting rid of your members' current health care plans in favour of a single-payer universal pharmacare model? I'm just trying to get an understanding of your position on pharmacare as an organization.

5:20 p.m.

President, Canadian Teachers' Federation

Heidi Yetman

Well, if you want me to talk personally, I can talk personally. My pharmacare is actually owned by me, believe it or not, because I belong to a union, and that's what they do. They take care of health care for me, so—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Do you like the plan?

5:20 p.m.

President, Canadian Teachers' Federation

Heidi Yetman

—I actually like the idea that the federal government would help us out with that. That would be a wonderful thing.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

If the plan were of lower quality than the one you have today, would you like to get rid of the plan you have today for another plan?

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President, Canadian Teachers' Federation

Heidi Yetman

Oh, our plan's not that good.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

I don't know. I beg to differ. There are a lot of people who don't have any plan who would love to have a plan.

5:20 p.m.

President, Canadian Teachers' Federation

Heidi Yetman

Everybody should have a plan. There's something else. You see, there we go—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

We should fill the gaps—

5:20 p.m.

President, Canadian Teachers' Federation

Heidi Yetman

We need to take care of each other—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

That's great.

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Thank you, MP Chambers.

Our final questioner will be PS Bendayan.

Rachel Bendayan Liberal Outremont, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to thank all the witnesses for appearing on this Conservative study on capital gains.

I'll begin my questions with Ms. Trottier.

Ms. Trottier, while you were providing your testimony, I couldn't help but notice the faces of shock and awe around this table. Among your philanthropist network and friends, are you alone in believing, as you do, that this capital gains policy is a good idea?

5:20 p.m.

Philanthropist, As an Individual

Dr. Claire Trottier

I am far from alone. I'm really glad to be collaborating with a group of millionaires across Canada who strongly agree that this change is a step in the right direction. We're joined by colleagues from across the globe in agreeing that this is a very, very good thing.

Rachel Bendayan Liberal Outremont, QC

I find that interesting, because I haven't seen much in the media from this particular point of view. I do note, of course, your publication in Policy Options of May 27, 2024. Is that the only publication you have authored?

5:20 p.m.

Philanthropist, As an Individual

Dr. Claire Trottier

That's the only one I authored about this particular change.

I do find it interesting that there weren't many voices in the media in support of this change. Especially early on, a lot of newspapers and television programs had a lot of people making quite grandiose claims about the dangers of this change. In my view at least, there was not much space given to those who are actually in favour of this change.

I'm very encouraged to be here today with witnesses who have a lot of expertise and who are in agreement that this is a step in the right direction. I hope those voices are heard, because surveys show that the vast majority of Canadians are in favour of taxing the rich, so I believe Canadians are in favour of this change.

Rachel Bendayan Liberal Outremont, QC

Your earlier testimony was to the effect that this change wouldn't impact your investment decisions in the business you mentioned in your opening remarks. Is that correct?