It's better to have a conversation, Mr. Chair, but perhaps some other time.
In any event, Mr. Moody has made some excellent points and criticisms of the move by the government to increase the inclusion rate, so hopefully we'll be able to get him on before the end of the meeting so that he can tell my Liberal colleagues on the committee why it's such a bad idea.
Now, Mr. Chaffe, I listened to your comments with interest. When somebody enters the agricultural industry, whether it's to farm, to raise cattle or to raise hogs for the pork industry, when they make that investment, they're taking a risk—are they not?