Yes. It's counterproductive. That's why I've been arguing, not only here but elsewhere, that this is not an argument against government policy or government having policies to help low-income people or social policies. Anne McLellan has been saying this. John Manley's been saying this. You have to generate the wealth in order to have that revenue base to support social policies and income support. What we're experiencing is a decline in our standard of living.
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