Evidence of meeting #21 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was information.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger
Sophie Amberg  Director, Review and Analysis Division, Charities Directorate, Canada Revenue Agency
Isabelle Jacques  Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Manuel Dussault  Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Samantha Maislin Dickson  Assistant Deputy Minister, Public Safety, Defence and Immigration Portfolio, Department of Justice
Julien Brazeau  Director General, Financial Crimes and Security Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

3:30 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Isabelle Jacques

Pardon me? What was the date on which a person first donated? I would not have that information.

All I can tell you—

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Conservative

Jake Stewart Conservative Miramichi—Grand Lake, NB

That's interesting. The CRA, the Department of Justice and the Department of Finance were suspending civil liberties, and you don't have the information.

3:30 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Isabelle Jacques

No, what I mean is the date on which the order took effect was February 15. Financial institutions could not have used information obtained previously to freeze accounts.

I will turn to my colleague—

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jake Stewart Conservative Miramichi—Grand Lake, NB

No, I have another question. There was one individual in my province who donated quite a sum of money, I believe. It was $75,000, or something like that. If that individual donated that money, let's say, three weeks ago, what will happen to that money? Where does it go?

3:35 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Isabelle Jacques

I do not know where he donated the money. I don't know which entity he gave the money to. Let's say that it ended up in the financial system and that a bank could freeze the account of the person, if it's a person, or a company that received the funding. Then it would have been frozen if captured. Now that the activities have stopped, it would be unfrozen and remain in the account. It wouldn't go anywhere else. It stays in the account.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jake Stewart Conservative Miramichi—Grand Lake, NB

My question was, if somebody donated money before February 15, what happens to it?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Isabelle Jacques

It should be where the person gave it. It shouldn't have been captured.

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Conservative

Jake Stewart Conservative Miramichi—Grand Lake, NB

Where does it go? Does it go back to the person—

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Isabelle Jacques

It's where that person gave the money. Whom did they give it to?

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jake Stewart Conservative Miramichi—Grand Lake, NB

I have no idea. I just see it in the newspaper. Let's say it was GoFundMe. Let's say somebody made a GoFundMe donation. You can make a donation to GoFundMe from anywhere in the world as long as you have a Visa or Mastercard or something. That's my understanding.

Let's say somebody made a donation February 7. Where does that money go?

3:35 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Isabelle Jacques

If that person, for example, gave it to GoFundMe, it went to the GoFundMe fund. As you may know, from the news that I read, they returned the money back to the donors on their own. The actions GoFundMe took were, I believe, their own, as they may not have been comfortable with the ongoing activities. I'm not the expert, and I don't have first-hand information.

I see that colleagues have their hands up.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jake Stewart Conservative Miramichi—Grand Lake, NB

I have another question though.

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Liberal

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

Lena Metlege Diab Liberal Halifax West, NS

Yes, I was going to do that.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

On a point of order.

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Liberal

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

Sorry to interrupt my honourable colleague.

I'm wondering—

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jake Stewart Conservative Miramichi—Grand Lake, NB

There's no point of order. You're not—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

On a point of order.

Go ahead.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

I would like to ask the clerk to ask the interpreters if the interpretation is coming through because it's not coming through very clearly on my end.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jake Stewart Conservative Miramichi—Grand Lake, NB

This is a stalling tactic. This is a stalling tactic because they don't like the question.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Mr. Stewart.

Clerk, could we ask the interpreters about that.

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Conservative

Jake Stewart Conservative Miramichi—Grand Lake, NB

Oldest trick in the book, isn't it?

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The Clerk

Is Mr. Stewart coming through? Do you need more audio from Mr. Stewart? Is that what I'm getting from the interpreters?

Yes. We need more audio for Mr. Stewart for the interpreters.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

If we could slow down the pace, MP Stewart, when asking the questions—

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jake Stewart Conservative Miramichi—Grand Lake, NB

How much time do I have, Mr. Chair?