Evidence of meeting #53 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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Jacques Maziade  Legislative Clerk
Darren D'Sa  Advisor, Tax Policy, Department of Finance

12:10 p.m.

An hon. member

On division.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

We'll have a recorded vote, please, Mr. Clerk.

(Clause 135 as amended agreed to on division: yeas 6; nays 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Okay, that's carried.

Mr. Chambers.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

I would be remiss, given the amount of intellectual capital we have on the line right now.... There was some confusion. I'm just wondering if the officials could clarify something in that clause.

Would it be appropriate to ask the officials a question?

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

We just voted on clause 135, so we've gone past it.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

I tried to raise a point of order before we got to that vote, but—

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

I apologize. I didn't hear or see you.

12:15 p.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Can you let him ask the question anyway?

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

There was an article in the National Post that referenced the tax being applied to aircraft and cars at import, and not on retail sale. My first question would be, is that accurate? Second, does that also apply to vessels at import, or is it at retail sale?

I'm happy not to waste the committee's time, if that's a question they would feel more comfortable replying to in writing. I'd like to confirm this, because there was some confusion based on that article. I want to make sure the industry is clear about the impact at import, on all items.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Yes, okay.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Thank you, Mr. Chambers.

Mr. Clerk, maybe the officials could take that away and bring back a fulsome answer, unless you have an answer right off the top.

Go ahead, Mr. Beech.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Beech Liberal Burnaby North—Seymour, BC

We'd be happy to commit to putting something in writing.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Yes, I don't see any officials coming on.

Okay, members, there are no amendments submitted to clauses 136 to 140. Clauses 136 to 140 are all in Part 4 of the bill. Do we have unanimous consent to group them for the vote?

12:15 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Shall clauses 136 to 140 carry?

(Clauses 136 to 140 inclusive agreed to on division)

That brings us to new clause 140.1, which is an amendment from the Conservatives, CPC-9.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Are we on CPC-9, Mr. Chair?

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

We're on CPC-9, on page 23 of the package.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Thank you.

This amendment excludes the luxury tax from the harmonized sales and goods and services tax, so it's trying to avoid the “tax on the tax” issue. In some cases, it can actually make the effective rate on some of these goods in excess of almost 30%. This tax on a tax is quite punitive on some goods with high prices. Let's not forget that we are also already collecting HST on the sale, so let's make sure we're not overly punitive on this front.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Thank you, Mr. Chambers.

Shall CPC-9 carry?

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Yvan Baker Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

I'd like a recorded vote.

(Amendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Members, there are no amendments submitted to clauses 141 to 173. Clauses 141 to 173 are all in part 4 of the bill. Again, do we have unanimous consent to group them for a vote?

Hearing no dissent, shall clauses 141 to 173 carry?

(Clauses 141 to 173 inclusive agreed to on division)

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Members, there are no amendments submitted to clauses 174 to 179. Clauses 174 to 179 are all in part 5 of the bill. Do we have unanimous consent to group them for a vote?

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Yes.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Seeing that we have unanimous consent, shall clauses 174 to 179 carry?

(Clauses 174 to 179 inclusive agreed to on division)

(On clause 180)

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

We're at clause 180, and there's an amendment, NDP-4.

Mr. Blaikie.