On that point, I want to touch on this point with you around the return on investment aspect on this because, from what I've heard in all of these meetings about green finance, green initiatives and using private capital for social purposes, no one seems to speak the language that I'm used to from my days of being a practising corporate commercial lawyer when my clients were interested in return on investment.
It seems to be an utterly foreign concept to people who are now in charge of making investments. It worries me a lot, especially when it comes to people who have invested in pensions, when the pension manager's themselves aren't so much interested in making sure their retirements are safe, but are more interested in pursuing their own ideological goals. I wonder if you could comment on that.