Finance Committee on Dec. 8th, 2025

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

No, you don't need to have the floor to challenge the chair. That is ridiculous.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Thank you, Mr. Genuis.

Wait one moment please. Thank you.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

We'll go straight to a vote then.

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

On what are we voting?

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

It's on the speakers list.

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

I need to know what we're voting on. I'm sorry. It makes no sense.

[The Clerk of the Committee, Jean-Luc Plourde]

The question is, shall the decision of the chair be sustained with regard to the speakers list?

(Ruling of the chair overturned: nays 5; yeas 4)

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Mr. Leitão still has the floor in this instance.

I'm sorry. Give me one second to confer with the clerk.

At this point, Mr. Leitão still has the floor, so I'll allow him to continue.

Mr. Kelly will be on the list after that.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

The point of the challenge was that Mr. Kelly should have been called on after multiple Liberals already spoke and because he had his hand up. If I need to challenge the chair again to make clear the will of the committee, I will.

I think we just voted on whether Mr. Kelly should have the floor, but if your ruling is that he should not have the floor, we can challenge again.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

I don't believe it was clear, so you would have to do it again. As it stands, Mr. Leitão still has the floor, and the vote was about the speaking list.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I will respectfully challenge your ruling that Mr. Leitão has the floor based on the view that Mr. Kelly should have been given the floor and should have the floor.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Okay. We'll turn it over to the clerk for this.

[Carlos Leitão, Liberal, Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

You can't do a point of order just yet. You have to do it afterwards.

[The Clerk]

The question is, shall the decision of the chair be sustained?

(Ruling of the chair overturned: nays 5; yeas 4)

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Mr. Kelly, you have the floor.

[Pat Kelly, Conservative, Calgary Crowfoot, AB]

Thank you, Chair. I strongly suggest that you work with your vice-chairs to do something about the business of committee so that we don't have these kinds of meetings.

With that, I move that the meeting now adjourn.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Is it the will of the committee to adjourn the meeting?

(Motion agreed to)

The meeting is adjourned.