There are some bands that fish responsibly and there are other bands that don't, and they aren't particularly interested in having a dialogue with us. They think all the fish belong to them, and that's how they operate. But there are lots of natives, as I said, in the commercial fishery and there are native bands up and down the coast that want to see this fishery survive.
Unfortunately, in the Fraser River area you have 97 bands, and they don't necessarily get along with each other either. There has been an attitude in the past that I've heard, where if you let this fish go by, the guy up the river is going to get it, so you might as well take it. We've had years when the upper river bands don't get any fish because they've been cleaned out downriver.