All we're talking about is whether we can do this humanely. We have testimony from veterinarians who have said that at least for the killing, the hakapik is the best.
We recognize that this is an abattoir on the ice. We know it's not a picnic out there. It's not a Sunday school picnic; we recognize that. But I think where we want to get to, if there are infractions taking place and you're submitting this film to DFO, is to know why these people who contravene those best practices are not being taken.... That's serious—