A herd can be sustainable at numbers other than the number you have now. The number 350,000 is one number. You could have a herd, as the U.K. has, of 100,000, and you could sustain a herd at 100,000. The sustainable number depends on what your population target is.
Again I would say that we from the industry don't have PhDs, so when we talk to government people or to the media and a scientist talks to the government or the media people, I guess we're not received with the same credibility, but we see it every day. We see the spread.
I have processors in my association who tell me that they used to direct fishermen to certain areas to catch cod, haddock, flounder, and other groundfish species because they were clean from those areas and we could process them economically. Those areas don't exist any more. We're seeing that. The scientists don't see it.