I would say yes, Mr. Asselin, the paper trail is large. It really helps our forest sector, because we keep using their paper to try to explain to the government what we need.
The problem is not really within DFO, and therein is the problem. The problem is beyond DFO. It's inside the cabinet, it's inside Treasury Board, where all of these various “want lists” get vetted before a budget.
So when I deal with senior people--and I'm sure for Christine it's the same--they may have to say to us, “No, you can't have it”, but privately they're saying “Please, we hope you're successful. We cannot manage these fisheries with the resources we've got.” They understand the precautionary principle; they understand the international pressures. So we're almost preaching to the converted inside DFO, at least in the regions that we represent. The problem is, they are told, “This is what you've got--go manage.” And it's at a point at which they know they cannot manage to the high principles they would want to.