I appreciate that, Mr. Murray; and thank you, Mr. Stoffer.
I'll try to get a quick question in here, if I can, before we go to Mr. Calkins.
I think part of the difficulty here—and this committee has heard it many times—is that there have been a lot of costs downloaded to the fishermen: the dockside monitoring, a lot of the disposition and divestiture of small craft harbours. They've assumed a number of costs they never assumed in the past, and at the same time, there seems to be a continual decrease in the science budget. That has happened in other industries as well, so it's not simply in the fishery. But somehow that's fundamental to the greater problem.
Maybe that's a governmental decision we have to decide: how much is government willing to pay for science, and what portion of it? But there's a real danger—and I hear it every time I talk to fishermen—in giving quota for science, because you end up always producing winners and losers in the fishery.
I'm not pretending to have the answer either. I just make that comment. And I'm not asking for an answer. I don't think there is one.
Mr. Calkins.