Yes, John. There's oversupply. Basically, if you have one group supplying 50% of the worldwide market or thereabouts, or 40% of B.C., and the illegal product....
Some of the numbers we get on illegal product come from the Canadian embassy in Tokyo. They suggest that the product exported into Japan from Canada legally is this amount, but the actual amount is that amount. If you reverse the numbers, you find out, for instance, that somehow there's a product entering Japan from Canada that didn't go through the proper systems.
How to reverse it? If the government thinks it can pull back the production of Heiltsuk, then I would suggest our industry has a chance to recover. But as long as they keep issuing quota and not pulling any back, then they'd better get it from industry, the same as the milk quota thing. If they're going to give somebody a milk quota, then they had better get it from the existing producers, to give them a chance to retire, or to hold the production and price at a certain level. To issue it indiscriminately is just disastrous to the industry.