In British Columbia, I would say if it's in private hands I'm a lot happier, because it's a lot easier to deal with. We have legislation in place that gives local government the power to offer any number of incentives to that private owner, if they wish to offer the incentive. The wish to offer is based on a political decision. Council will sit around a table like this and deem whether or not their community really cares about this. If it's an individual building, that city council has the power to offer tax incentives, to offer development opportunities, to offer relaxation on regulations, to offer cash outright. So it's a lot easier to deal with an owner of a building.
The case of the two buildings that are under demolition permit requests right now in Victoria actually is the exception. Most owners of commercial buildings in a city in British Columbia, at least in the larger cities, are aware of these opportunities and can work with them, or they will sell it to someone else who wants to.
Buildings in public hands are a different story, because what do you do to the base commander in Esquimalt, on the Work Point Barracks? I have nothing to offer that person. I have only to go to the minister to get the minister to try to persuade that base commander that it would be a good idea to find a solution for the building. It's something outside of his military mandate, and that is very difficult. Publicly owned buildings actually are the most difficult to deal with, because there are just not the same kinds of leverage tools.