On the effort reduction, for example, this year when DFO came out with a 10-year plan, you had to come up with 10 points until 2018, I believe it is. To get some of these points...for example, one of them was to give up a number of traps, and for area 25 what they suggested to get one point was to give up 135 traps. That was to get one point. First of all, we're fishing with 250 traps. We're 50 fewer traps than everybody else, so if you take 135 of those traps out of the water, you're going to be fishing with 115 traps. You're wasting your time. You won't pay your fuel bill. You'll be going behind.
So that's not an option. Fishermen feel they just can't fish with fewer traps than 250.