Evidence of meeting #20 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was organization.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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Carey Bonnell  Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

I call the meeting to order.

I'd like to thank Mr. Carey Bonnell from the CCFI, the Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation, for joining us today.

Mr. Bonnell, generally we have ten minutes allotted for presentations from our witnesses, and then we have specific timeframes allotted to our members for questioning. If you hear a little beeping noise up front here, it's the clock letting us know that time has expired. There are some specific timeframes that we need to adhere to, but if you hear that, don't be alarmed. Generally, I won't cut you off, but I might cut some of the members off. It's so we can stay as close to those timeframes as possible.

Once again, on behalf of the committee, I want to thank you for coming today. I turn the floor over to you at this time to make any presentations that you'd like to make. Thank you.

11:15 a.m.

Carey Bonnell Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I'd like to thank you and the committee members here today for inviting me to appear on fairly short notice. I'm certainly honoured to do so. I've actually appeared before the Senate committee on several occasions in the past in a previous capacity, but it's my first appearance before the House of Commons committee. I'm quite happy to appear.

In the ten to fifteen minutes I have, I'd like to do three or four things.

I'd like to start by introducing you to the centre and telling you who we are, what we do, what our successes have been, and so on and so forth.

Then I'd like to provide you with a snapshot of our focus, the kind of work we undertake as a centre, and I'm going to focus primarily on lobster because of the topic of discussion here.

Third, I'm going to talk a little bit about the work we're doing in the lobster industry, both in terms of research and development activities and in terms of the recent work we've done with the lobster summit about a year and a half ago, and the lobster round table, which I understand you've heard quite a bit about.

Finally, and I guess perhaps most importantly from our standpoint, I'm going to touch briefly on where we are as an organization from a funding standpoint and how that impacts on so many of the things we do, including our activities in the lobster industry.

I've provided the clerk of the committee with a copy of the presentation deck that I was going to go through, and I'm going to go through in brief, but unfortunately there wasn't enough time for translation, given the short notice. You'll get this material over the next day or two, but I will take you through it in brief.

The Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation was established in 1989 by the Marine Institute in Memorial University. If you think about it, 1989 and the subsequent years were a period of tremendous difficulty in the groundfish industry. The idea behind the centre was that the resources within the academic community--the largest flume tank in the world at the Marine Institute, as well as engineers, technologists, and biologists--weren't being applied in any meaningful fashion to solve the problems and identify opportunities in the fishing industry. So that was the concept. What we are, essentially, is....

Sorry.

11:20 a.m.

NDP

Peter Stoffer NDP Sackville—Eastern Shore, NS

Mr. Chairman, could Mr. Bonnell just slow it down a bit? I think the interpreters are having a hard time catching up.

No offence, buddy. Thanks.

11:20 a.m.

Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you very much, Mr. Stoffer.

11:20 a.m.

Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

Carey Bonnell

I've already forewarned the translators that I tend to have a bit of a quick delivery, but I've been informed that it's quite common for your east coast visitors.

11:20 a.m.

NDP

Peter Stoffer NDP Sackville—Eastern Shore, NS

Yes, sir.

11:20 a.m.

Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

Carey Bonnell

I'll do my best to slow that down.

Essentially, what we do as an organization is provide to industry the services of the colleges and institutions of Atlantic Canada in industrial and applied fisheries research and development. We are a university-owned, government-funded, and industry-driven research and development organization. We're known as an SIE, a separately incorporated entity, so we are driven, as an organization, by industry. What we do is provide solutions to industry problems and we meet new opportunities. It's about cutting costs and improving revenue to the industry, and looking at sustainability issues in the industry as well.

Over the last 20 years, as an organization we've funded 760 projects throughout Atlantic Canada at a total value of nearly $86 million. That doesn't include the commercialization of a lot of that research and development. If you look at a multiplier effect, obviously the results would be much larger.

There's been a tremendous uptake in our mandate in the Maritimes. We expanded into the Maritimes in 2002. We opened an office in Bedford, Nova Scotia, that's responsible for all our Maritime activities, and that's been quite successful. I'm going to talk a little bit about that.

Essentially, as an organization we're catalysts for research and development. We have two or three key functions. Obviously, as an organization we provide seed funding to projects. Our leverage rate is tremendous in all the initiatives we undertake, and that's obviously a big part of our organization and our mandate. We also provide project management support. We like to use the term “from concept to cash register” as an organization. We take on initiatives. We take ideas from the drawing board and get them into the ocean or into the plant or into wherever they need to be to take on key research and development initiatives. That's a big part of the centre's mandate.

In terms of governance, CCFI has a board of directors that consists of 18 members, 16 of whom are drawn from industry. Two are our shareholders, one from the Marine Institute and one from Memorial University. I always make the point that it's not Carey Bonnell guiding CCFI; it's the industry that's guiding CCFI.

Our board of directors guides the centre. They are drawn from industry throughout Atlantic Canada, from the harvesting, processing, and aquaculture sectors. We also have an executive committee, which consists of the chairs of our various advisory committees, including the harvesting committee, the processing committee, and the aquaculture committee. They're responsible for the day-to-day operations, or help with the day-to-day operations, of the centre. As I mentioned, we have offices in St. John's, Newfoundland, and Bedford, Nova Scotia.

To give you a snapshot of the last six to seven years, I'm going to use the benchmark of our expansion into the Maritimes. In 2002 we expanded into the Maritimes. We secured $6 million in funding under round one of the Atlantic Innovation Fund. This was our first foray into the Maritimes, and when we launched that program of R and D Atlantic-wide, we set a target of about $12 million worth of R and D in total, so basically it was a two-to-one leverage rate. What we actually achieved was about $24 million worth of research and development. We funded 195 projects throughout the Atlantic region.

Our R and D in the Maritimes was valued at about $9 million. We had a target of 25% as a starting point, not knowing what the expectations would be. Of the R and D done by the centre over the last six years, 38% has been carried out in the maritime region, which I think is a testament to the success of the centre. I recently did an interview with a consultant on the AIF program, who asked what the best success of the centre has been. I said that the Maritimes expansion, the uptake, has been by far the best success. The issues facing the industry in the Maritimes, as you very well know, are the same as the issues facing the Newfoundland and Labrador industry.

Our project leverage rate under that program was one to five, so for every dollar the centre spent, we leveraged five dollars from other sources. In terms of our leveraged funds, industry contributes almost 50% of the project costs, so for every project we undertake, upwards of 45% of the funding comes directly from industry, in both direct and in-kind contributions. We recognize in-kind contributions. If a harvester donates his vessel to a boat, to the centre, that's a lost commercial opportunity, and it's relevant to mention.

Our administrative costs are extremely low as an organization, making up about 10% of our overall program.

We partner with 13 universities throughout the Atlantic region. We've been involved in a wide range of commercialization projects, including aquaculture expansion through emerging species development, vessel efficiency modifications, value-added product development, and so on. Significant long-term job creation and revenue generation have occurred in both industry and the academic community.

You can think of our organization as an industrial network. We have, over the last 20 years, partnered with over 200 organizations throughout the Atlantic region, ranging from associations and unions to individuals and vertically integrated companies. They include Clearwater Fine Foods in Nova Scotia, Island Fisherman's Cooperative in New Brunswick, Connors Bros. in New Brunswick, Ocean Choice International, the FFAW union in Newfoundland and Labrador, Cooke Aquaculture, and a whole range of other groups throughout the region. We work with everyone from individual owner-operators all the way up to vertically integrated multinational companies. We don't separate in any manner. As long as it's relevant research and it's industry-driven and it has a purpose, we are at the table as an organization.

As I mentioned, our academic network consists of 13 institutions. You'll all be familiar with every one of them, I would assume: the University of New Brunswick; UPEI and the AVC; Nova Scotia Agricultural College; Dalhousie University; Nova Scotia Community College; Coastal Zones Research Institute in New Brunswick; obviously, Memorial University and the Marine Institute; Acadia; Holland College; Cape Breton University; Huntsman Marine Science Centre; and St. Francis Xavier University.

We've worked with them all at one point or another. They have tremendous talent that they can apply to this fishing industry, and they are applying it largely due to the support that's provided by our organization. Very much they're complementary resources. We've built a bit of an inter-institutional model as well. Where universities have had different skill sets, we've brought them together on strategic initiatives throughout the region, which I think is important.

One point that I always hype about the centre is our industry contribution. Nearly 50% of our funding on projects currently comes from industry. When we started in 1989, we had an industry leverage rate of about 14%. That has grown over our mandate, over the last 20 years, to almost 50%. That speaks, in my view at least, to the relevance of the centre and to the great work we're doing.

I'll talk very briefly about the areas of focus of the centre. We consider ourselves an “ocean to plate” organization. That term is popular these days, but we've been doing it for 20 years. Basically, we take on projects from resource and harvesting through processing and aquaculture.

The key areas that we focus on include improved selectivity and bycatch avoidance; sea-bottom-friendly technologies; stock assessment and surveys for emerging species; safety technology, which is so important; vessel design work; fuel efficiency; energy efficiency through improved gears and designs; and facilitating industry efforts to achieve and maintain sustainability certification, a new and emerging area where this industry requires support. On the processing sector, we do work in product quality enhancements, processing automation, value-added production, marine biotechnology, and waste management. On the aquaculture side, we do a lot of research on productivity enhancements for established species and various initiatives for developing emerging species.

In the last few minutes I have, I want to talk a little bit about the work we're doing on lobster, given the focus of these committee proceedings right now. We've done work on the R and D side and as a facilitative body as well, so I'll touch on both.

In terms of lobster research, we've done a whole range of things on sustainability over the years. This includes looking at the consequences of lobster larval settlement, and providing further insight on lobster population dynamics and developing new tools to improve future management. We've done work in terms of reviewing global lobster enhancement efforts throughout the Atlantic region.

We've also done successful lobster conservation enhancement projects with the Eastport Peninsula Fishermen's Association in Newfoundland and Labrador. That research itself actually led to an individual harvester receiving a Governor General's award for responsible fishing operations. We were looking at closed area trials, v-notching, and a whole range of other things. We were one of the catalysts involved in that research as well.

Some of our more recent work is focused more on the processing sector and efficiency. I'm sure during your trip to the Maritimes you've heard a lot about some of the challenges facing the industry, the need to look at product development and at redefining and reprofiling lobster in the marketplace. In the last year, we've focused quite a bit of our work on that area. I'll touch on a couple of projects.

We've done work on value-added products utilizing injection technology with Baie Sainte-Anne Co Op in New Brunswick. We've also done work on the development of protocols for food service use of hyperbaric processed lobster with Ocean Choice PEI. Both projects were carried out and facilitated by us, with the academic partner of the Culinary Institute of Canada, located in Prince Edward Island. They have tremendous expertise in this area and they do great work.

We've also been involved in the successful development of lobster splitter technology for Ocean Choice PEI. We've recently been involved in the exploration of live lobster holding to expand market opportunities. That's been a project with a truck owner in Newfoundland and Labrador. It was initially done with the Marine Institute in Newfoundland, and has since expanded to AVC's lobster science centre, where they're looking at opportunities to extend the shelf life of live lobster to expand market opportunities perhaps into the western seaboard of the United States. So that's an exciting piece of work as well. Significant technology has gone into that.

Moving to a new focus of the centre, more frequently in recent years we've been called upon to play a more strategic role in the industry. We're the independent broker, as we like to call it; the honest broker. People look at us as independent, given our mandate and given that we work with everyone.

We've done a range of projects in the last three years. We had a haddock conference in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, two years ago, looking at the strategic issues related to the recovery of that resource and how we're going to exploit that research. We brought market experts in from around the world to talk about that industry and how best to prosecute it from the ocean to the plate, resource harvesting, processing, and marketing.

We further built upon that, and in October of 2007 we hosted an Atlantic lobster summit. I'm going to talk about that in a moment. That's been a real success story for the centre, and I'm sure you heard quite a bit about it in your deliberations in the Maritimes. Just last January, following up on that, we hosted an international shrimp conference in St. John's, Newfoundland. Over 250 industry experts and leaders from throughout Atlantic Canada, Europe, the U.S., and Asia attended. They looked at addressing some of the key issues facing the international coldwater shrimp industry. We've had all kinds of positive praise for that work, and it's really been a huge success, and there have been research initiatives drawn from that research as well.

I'll just focus in a little bit more on the lobster summit activity as well. We hosted a lobster summit in the fall of 2007. The theme for that summit was market realities, market challenges, and market opportunities. The objective was to develop approaches to maximize value of the resource for all participants in the Atlantic lobster industry. We had over 250 people attend that conference. The feedback has been tremendous, and it's led to a whole range of new initiatives.

There were five key conclusions from that summit. I think it's important to briefly touch on them. The first was the need to collaborate to tackle key issues in the industry: sustainability, supply issues, cashflow, and market intelligence. They recommended the establishment of a stakeholder organization to move that forward. The second was to manage for sustainability. The third was to become proactive in addressing emerging market issues. The fourth was to explore new market opportunities particularly in expanding beyond the United States. The fifth was to look at improved product and product development initiatives, which is what we've been doing certainly quite a bit of.

In terms of the next steps following up on the lobster summit, there was a request to establish a stakeholder organization to move these key recommendations forward. CCFI was asked to play a lead role on that research. We formed a lobster round table in the fall of 2008. The purpose of the round table essentially was to provide a forum for stakeholders to build and implement joint action plans for industry success. There were four key objectives. The first was to create a shared understanding of key market challenges and opportunities facing the sector. The second was to set goals and targets to strengthen the sector's competitive position. The third was to build agreements on coordinated action plans. And the fourth was to improve returns to the industry through identification and implementation of changes that will improve the value chain. This round table consists of the entire Atlantic industry, with Quebec interest as well. It's all about consensus building. We've had three meetings over the last three months.

I just want to finish with one final point on the round table.

There was a recommendation made at the last meeting, which was about two and a half weeks ago, and that was that immediate action be taken to form a lobster development council to look at the generic marketing campaign for lobster and sustainability certification options in the industry. The second recommendation was to establish a steering committee from the round table to serve as the provisional board for that organization. The third was that the lobster round table continue to serve as an advisory body to that council. CCFI has been asked to lead the charge on moving that initiative forward, again as the honest broker in the industry. The challenge we face as an organization is that we are in a situation now where we're facing the prospect of closure in the coming weeks. We were supposed to have this steering committee up and running, but it's something we haven't been able to do because unfortunately we're too busy trying to breathe some life into the centre to continue its operation.

To finish off today, I would like to give you a short overview of the current status of the centre. Last year, as a condition of funding through ACOA's innovative communities fund, we were asked to complete---

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Mr. Bonnell, I let it go quite a ways beyond the timeframe. Possibly we can get into some of that information through the questioning the members have.

11:30 a.m.

Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

Carey Bonnell

Absolutely.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Could I just ask you to conclude at this time?

11:30 a.m.

Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

Carey Bonnell

Sure.

We completed the operational sustainability review of the centre, and we submitted a renewal proposal in June of 2008. We presented a cost-yeared approach that involved provincial, federal, academic, and institutional support. In February of this year we received a $400,000 commitment from the four provincial Atlantic Canadian governments. That joint letter was sent to the three federal ministers on February 17. We've been endorsed as an organization by the Atlantic premiers as well. We have 70 to 80 letters of support on file from industy and the academic community, and we have even had recent letters of support from Conservative, Liberal, and NDP members of Parliament. Unfortunately, the provincial support we've been given is subject to federal commitments from ACOA and the Department of Fisheries and Oceans. Unfortunately, as an organization we received a letter of rejection from ACOA on March 3 of this year, and we received a second letter of rejection on April 2 of this year.

I would make one final point, Mr. Chairman. As many of you have dealt with the fishing industry quite a bit over the last number of years, I'd ask the group here where else you would find an issue for which you have unanimous support amongst harvesters, processors, the aquaculture industry, provincial government officials, industry experts, and so on related to one issue. That issue is the Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation. I don't think you'll find it anywhere else given the widespread acrimony that exists in this industry. I think it's a testament to the need for the continuation of this centre.

Thank you very much.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you very much, Mr. Bonnell.

Mr. Byrne.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

Thank you very much to our witness. What you had to say was a little in-depth, but it was worth hearing. Some people say things that, quite frankly, aren't worth listening to.

We have heard information during the course of our study. There is near-unanimous support. Everyone our committee spoke to who raised the issue of the CCFI related to the lobster industry expressed strong support for the CCFI. I asked them directly whether, since this organization has its roots in St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, they felt comfortable with it being involved in issues outside, in New Brunswick, P.E.I., Nova Scotia, and potentially Quebec and other places. The stakeholders all said they completely supported and appreciated the fact. In fact, Mr. Bonnell, they told us that this was the very first time they had gotten together as an industry in the Atlantic, and that it was very worthwhile.

Could you describe for the committee some of the relationships? I know, for example, that some of the largest fishing organizations in Atlantic Canada, and the Maritime Fishermen's Union, right down to individual harvesting committees for various areas, endorse the CCFI specifically on the lobster initiative.

Could you get into some details about the relationship CCFI has established with harvesting organizations?

11:35 a.m.

Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

Carey Bonnell

Absolutely. We were approached initially two years ago by the Fisheries Council of Canada on this particular initiative, based on the fact that they knew we had hosted recent events. They said they couldn't lead it. They needed somebody who was independent to lead such a thing, given some of the issues in the industry. We immediately got the provincial agencies involved, identified key harvesters, processors, and live shippers throughout the Atlantic region who could participate in such an initiative. We brought them to the table. We facilitated the entire process.

I should mention that the Quebec industry and government have been actively engaged in this work as well.

We looked at consensus building. Our focus was on consensus building and an industry-driven approach. It's a simple concept really. That's why, when you travelled around the maritime region, you heard what you heard about our centre. It was because they trust us, because we are a trustworthy organization. We've had Clearwater at the table talking to the Ashton Spinneys of the world, talking to the Craig Averys of the world. People have been getting along and building consensus on key issues. If you think about the recommendations we've brought forward as an organization, as part of the round table, they are really issues of market development on which we can all agree, and issues of moving forward and addressing such things as sustainability certification, which, as a group, we can all agree on.

Yes, the support is there for that very reason. It's been open and transparent.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

I understand spokespeople for the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency have said there is no need for your organization, that fishing organizations and fishing enterprises within the industry now self-collaborate. There is no need for a guiding network or mechanism to be able to establish this research.

Let me raise a particular example. There was a major aquaculture announcement on the south coast of Newfoundland, which was heralded by this government as being a major initiative that was going to advance the cause of aquaculture on the south coast. Who prepared that application? Could you speak to whether or not there is another organization that fish processors and harvesters could tap into to do the work that you do?

11:35 a.m.

Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

Carey Bonnell

The short answer to that is no. There is not an organization that can be tapped into to do the kind of work that we do.

On the recent announcements on the cod aquaculture, it is important to note--and I've noted it previously--that a good portion of the leading edge that initially went into cod aquaculture in Newfoundland and Labrador was led by the Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation going back to our first year of operation in 1989 when we got engaged in this research. In fact, it was CCFI that led the business plan that was launched in 2004, which led, in large part, to the announcement a couple of months ago. We hired a consultant at the school of business at Memorial University. We led that research with the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador and with industry. Certainly the announcement that was made two weeks ago was accelerated, and that research and that commitment were accelerated by the leading-edge R and D that was led by the Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation. There is no doubt about that. No one can argue that.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

I've heard it said by others that there was no application for approval before any funding agency from the CCFI. Is there any substance to that allegation whatsoever?

11:40 a.m.

Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

Carey Bonnell

No, absolutely not. Actually we tabled a submission to ACOA back in June of 2008. It was submitted formally to senior officials in ACOA Newfoundland and Labrador. I have a copy of the submission as well as the correspondence here, if there is a requirement to table such a document. It's on the file. It's on the record. It was submitted to ACOA, to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, and to the four provincial agencies as well.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

The other statement I've heard is that there really wasn't much uptake for the CCFI. I've heard it said by officials that the proposal by CCFI to establish this network of fishing-related stakeholders to engage in innovation and R and D did not take hold. The committee itself has heard substantial evidence to the contrary.

Could you relate to the committee any cause or reason why the CCFI may not be funded at this point in time? Do you have insights you can offer us?

11:40 a.m.

Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

Carey Bonnell

I think we're shaking our heads a little bit on this. We haven't been given what we would call a credible reason not to continue the centre. As for some of the issues raised recently in terms of the centre having outlived its usefulness, well, that couldn't be further from the truth; the 60 to 70 or 70 to 80 letters of support from industry dictate otherwise. The support from the Atlantic provinces dictates otherwise. There is broad-based support for the centre.

It's important to note here as well that the comparison has been made to the Atlantic Innovation Fund and how it could replace the loss of CCFI. AIF is a great program, but it focuses on large-scale, multidisciplinary commercialization research. It's a multi-million-dollar project. So the $60 million in R and D that's been referred to maybe funded 10 to 15 projects. And that's good stuff; don't take anything away from that. But we take a million dollars as an organization, leverage that at a five-to-one rate, and fund 50 to 70 projects overall as an organization on a yearly basis. What industry often needs are short-term projects that solve existing challenges in the industry or identify new opportunities—generally projects less than $200,000 to $300,000. They don't have the resources or the interests to pursue these large-scale initiatives. Certain groups can, and that's a great thing, but you can't take away from what we do as an organization. There will be a void without us. There's no organization out there to fill the void in the absence of the centre.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

Based on the information we have collected from you here today, as well as information from evidence in our hearings, I have submitted to the clerk of this House the following notice of motion, which will be subject to review by the committee at a later date:

That the following be reported to the House at the earliest opportunity:

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans recommends that the Government restore full funding to the Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation to enable this organization and its partners to pursue its mission to make available to the fishing industry the largest and best-equipped body of experts in fisheries-related science and technology in the country for the benefit of the industry's long-term competitiveness and sustainability.

Mr. Bonnell, I hope all members of this committee unanimously endorse that motion when it becomes available to us for a vote in the coming days.

You've done great work. The lobster industry certainly appreciates the fact that they now have an organization that can establish a network for them to get them together; they did not have that before. Not only have you established that network, but you have also actually started to produce results within the network itself. So I certainly hope you get unanimous support.

Finally, on one last point, have provincial governments from outside of Newfoundland and Labrador actually come to the table with financial contributions to the CCFI?

11:40 a.m.

Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

Carey Bonnell

Yes, we've actually received over $400,000 in commitments from Atlantic provinces. That includes, as a ballpark figure, about $140,000 or $150,000 from the maritime provinces combined. So it's a significant contribution.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

Have other members of Parliament written to you or anyone else that you know in support of the CCFI? Whom would they be?

11:40 a.m.

Managing Director, Canadian Centre for Fisheries Innovation

Carey Bonnell

We've had letters of support, obviously, from you and other members from Newfoundland and Labrador. We've had a letter of support from Mr. Peter Stoffer. We've also had a letter of support from MP Gerald Keddy from Nova Scotia as well. So there's support.

The final point I guess I'd like to make on this is that this is not a political issue. This organization has been supported for 20 years by Conservatives, Liberals, and the NDP alike. It has always been the case. It does good research, and we're not here to knock the federal government. We're not here to knock ACOA. What we're asking for is a sober second thought on the need for this centre's continuation, nothing more, nothing less. Getting the leverage or bang for your buck from $1 million a year from the centre is a good thing, and there's nobody there to fill that void without us.

So that's really the key point I want to make on this. There is broad-based support for the centre. And I would say that among those we've talked to, everybody but ACOA right now supports the need for the continuation of this centre. It's very strong.