Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to our guests for coming in today. I know some of this gets a little bit repetitive because we're sort of covering some of the same ground, but I just want to touch on two areas.
When you talk about the new approach to NAFO, going it on our own and getting totally out of NAFO altogether, I'd like to take from your lenses as deputy ministers, as ADMs, your bureaucratic perspective. You've both said that you've been around throughout NAFO all these years and you've had many frustrations and you've seen the pitfalls.
Could you explain to me why you would see these types of pitfalls, but when it comes to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans bureaucrats, and being around them as well, they don't share the same vision and ideas, as professional bureaucratic individuals?