Yes, and I think, too, that it would take some political will at the upper levels to push that forward to a new approach and say that we were going to do something bold and move on.
Regarding custodial management, all the witnesses we've had before us have told us their definitions of custodial management and what it means to them, and most of them are pretty consistent on what they think custodial management is. From Conservative senators to fisheries people to industry people, they've all said that we don't have custodial management, so how would you have any confidence in the Department of Fisheries and Oceans when the minister comes in and says, “Yes, we have custodial management, and yes, we have custodial management through NAFO”?