The only way I'd accept that last statement is if any numbers are attached. I hear what you're saying, but without numbers it's not helpful.
At the risk of boring my colleagues to tears, I'd like to repeat what DFO reports in terms of west coast salmon. Coastal aquaculture has been going on there since 1985, and the report was that in 2010, Fraser River sockeye returns were 30 million, the best return since 1913. In 2011 the return was 4.5 million, which is an average return, and overall they report—I could cite this river by river—the Pacific salmon returns in the last couple of years have been good or better than average, and they report that 2011 was the best recreational salmon fishery off the west coast in many years. So again, I think you have to be very careful when you automatically assume and make blanket statements that wild salmon are affected by net pen aquaculture.
In terms of your point about wanting to see net pen aquaculture banned, that's your position, ultimately to transition away from net pens to closed containment?