Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, Dr. Hutchings and Dr. Fleming, for appearing before us. We appreciate your testimony and the contributions you've made over the years to fisheries and fish science in Canada.
Let me begin by saying I suspect it's hard to please fish biologists in terms of what managers do, like governments. I imagine you're hard to please because you look at things through a different lens than those who govern do. But I'm hopeful at least that you see some encouraging signs in terms of the approach that Fisheries and Oceans Canada is making.
For example, on the sustainable fisheries framework, are you completely pessimistic, or are you optimistic about where we're going in terms of our ability to manage in a sustainable way?