It's a necessary evil. I must admit that in terms of the certifying bodies, they have evolved quite well in terms of their knowledge of fisheries and biology, and so forth.
The important thing for any fishery that wants to get certified is to make sure they spend a lot of effort in identifying the accredited certified body that they think can work best with them. We have a number of people who have retired from fisheries management, people who really know their fisheries. They know that fish swim and they know the biomasses will change from time to time. That doesn't necessarily mean it's an inappropriate fisheries management regime, but that's the nature of things.