I find this very interesting. I have to say that a couple of hearings ago, when my colleague across the way raised concerns about eco-certification and giving up control to foreigners or third parties, I didn't understand where he was going with that and why there was concern. I think that the more I learn the more I disagree that this should be a concern. It's not that.... I mean, DFO is doing the best it can under the circumstances, and the government and so on, but I don't see why it's a problem for industries and/or consumers, whoever drives it. Ultimately, it's consumers, I guess, who want to know certain things about the products they buy or who think they want to know certain things about the products they buy. The standards in effect all come eventually from the principles set by DFO, so I don't quite get that concern.
I thought it was interesting, Mr. Stringer, in response to one of the questions and the comments on what kind of a boat and the MSC and these other eco-certification groups always looking for more.... I think what you said was interesting, that almost always, whenever there is a certification done, there are conditions put on, and those conditions often relate to things that are already on your plate, that are already in your plan, but as a result perhaps of budgetary considerations or whatever, you haven't been able to get to them.