Evidence of meeting #118 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was authorities.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Chair  Mr. Ken McDonald (Avalon, Lib.)
Sarah Shiels  Lawyer, Clifford Shiels Legal
Noel Facey  Chairman, Digby Neck Harbour Authority
Lucien LeBlanc  Spokesperson, Wedgeport Harbour Authority
Colin Fraser  West Nova, Lib.

4:25 p.m.

Spokesperson, Wedgeport Harbour Authority

Lucien LeBlanc

If I may ask for clarity, Mr. Arnold, do you mean design of new projects, or what do you mean exactly?

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

I mean the repair of an existing project or a new portion, such as the breakwater that went in. I saw that it has blocked off access for anything bigger than a dinghy from a huge portion of the wharf.

4:25 p.m.

Spokesperson, Wedgeport Harbour Authority

Lucien LeBlanc

I appreciate your touring our area. It means a lot.

I believe the small craft harbours has in-house engineers and in some circumstances they may subcontract that work out, but especially with the in-house engineers they come up with a design concept in consultation with the harbour authorities, which I believe they're mandated to do. However, again, they're within budget constraints, so sometimes they tell the engineers not so much what's their perfect design, but what they can design with a certain amount of funds.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

The reason I ask is that one of the other harbours we toured during our Maritimes tour in June had designed pilings and walls that failed within, I believe, less than a year.

Ms. Shiels, are you able to indicate who might be responsible for the design of that infrastructure and who is responsible for it when it fails?

4:30 p.m.

Lawyer, Clifford Shiels Legal

Sarah Shiels

I would say that the design of the infrastructure would be with the department. They are often working closely with Public Works. These are federal properties. Minor repairs, which can range from small to large fixes but, generally, I would say less than $5,000 to $10,000, that's the range cost-wise that we're looking at for a lot of the minor repairs. Some of those would fall to the harbour authority, but the infrastructure is on the federal government side.

I do know they work with consulting engineers in Halifax. I can't comment in detail on the engineering front, but I do feel there's a liability on the part of the department for the condition of its infrastructure. I have heard frustration voiced by individual fishermen that sometimes the design of these structures does not address their needs and, in particular, some of them who have been working at individual harbours for decades feel that they have a better understanding of wave action, the movement of tides and wind, than some of the engineers who visit their harbours. They would like to have an opportunity to express those concerns prior to development of these major projects.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Thank you.

4:30 p.m.

Mr. Ken McDonald (Avalon, Lib.)

The Chair

Thank you, Mr. Arnold.

Thank you to our three guests again, Ms. Shiels, Mr. Facey and Mr. LeBlanc.

That concludes our first hour of committee hearings.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Pat Finnigan Liberal Miramichi—Grand Lake, NB

Mr. Chair, if I may, I have a motion. Could I read it before we end this session?

4:30 p.m.

Mr. Ken McDonald (Avalon, Lib.)

The Chair

Okay. Quickly, please.

November 6th, 2018 / 4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Pat Finnigan Liberal Miramichi—Grand Lake, NB

Thank you.

The motion reads:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study on the impact of the rapid increase of the striped bass in the Miramichi River and the Gulf of St. Lawrence, and how and when reference points are determined which may trigger interventions on this and other predators affecting other species and marine life; that this study be comprised of no less than three meetings; and that the committee report its findings with recommendations back to the House.

4:30 p.m.

Mr. Ken McDonald (Avalon, Lib.)

The Chair

Is there any discussion?

There's no discussion. That's just a motion put forward.

Thank you, Mr. Finnigan.

Again, thank you to our witnesses.

We'll take a short recess now to change over from public to go in camera.

[Proceedings continue in camera]