Evidence of meeting #132 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was licences.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Chair  Mr. Ken McDonald (Avalon, Lib.)
Jim McIsaac  As an Individual
Aaron Hill  Executive Director, Watershed Watch Salmon Society
Greg Taylor  Senior Fisheries Advisor, Watershed Watch Salmon Society
Richard Williams  Research Director, Canadian Council of Professional Fish Harvesters
Tasha Sutcliffe  Vice-President, Programs, Ecotrust Canada
Cynthia Bendickson  Executive Director, Greenways Land Trust
Analisa Blake  Project Manager, Public Health, Vancouver Island Health Authority
Blaine Calkins  Red Deer—Lacombe, CPC
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Nancy Vohl
Evelyn Pinkerton  Professor, School of Resource & Environmental Management, Simon Fraser University, As an Individual
Seth Macinko  Associate Professor, Department of Marine Affairs, University of Rhode Island, As an Individual
Helen von Buchholz  Student, Public Health and Social Policy, University of Victoria, As an Individual
Cailyn Siider  Fisher, As an Individual

4:35 p.m.

Red Deer—Lacombe, CPC

Blaine Calkins

Mr. McIsaac, if we adopted a similar model to the way Alaska runs its fishery, do you think the fishermen in the coastal communities in British Columbia would be better off?

4:35 p.m.

As an Individual

Jim McIsaac

Certainly.

4:35 p.m.

Red Deer—Lacombe, CPC

Blaine Calkins

Thank you.

Is there any time left?

4:35 p.m.

Mr. Ken McDonald (Avalon, Lib.)

The Chair

You have 30 seconds. You should make it quick.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Can you identify what country this foreign influence is coming from?

4:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Programs, Ecotrust Canada

Tasha Sutcliffe

I can. It comes from a number of different places—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

What is the nationality of the person involved with the money laundering, who you said also owns the quota?

4:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Programs, Ecotrust Canada

Tasha Sutcliffe

They're based out of China.

4:35 p.m.

Mr. Ken McDonald (Avalon, Lib.)

The Chair

Thank you, Mr. Arnold.

Now, for three minutes or less, we have Mr. Donnelly, please.

4:35 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

First of all, I want to thank all of our witnesses for their presentations today. I also want to apologize to our witnesses. We have a 90-minute session here with six witnesses, so that's 42 minutes of presentations, and now with this vote interrupting our questions, we have only a couple of minutes each to ask you questions.

I had questions for all of our presenters. I'm now going to have only two questions, and I'll start with Ms. Sutcliffe.

You spoke about tracking corporate control, and you suggested a public registry, I think. I'm wondering if that is one of your recommendations for a more accountable reporting of quota ownership.

February 20th, 2019 / 4:40 p.m.

Vice-President, Programs, Ecotrust Canada

Tasha Sutcliffe

Absolutely.

Right now, there's actually no reporting of quota ownership online by DFO. We had to get the little bit we did get through an ATIP request.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

I do appreciate that you've written your suggestions. Are those submitted to the committee?

4:40 p.m.

Vice-President, Programs, Ecotrust Canada

Tasha Sutcliffe

They will be tomorrow.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

That is going to be my point for everyone who has presented today. I stress this to all of our witnesses. If you haven't already submitted recommendations to this committee, it would be very much appreciated if you could submit those. You can also submit background reports, which are important for our analysts to review, but the recommendations are also very key.

Mr. McIsaac, you mentioned “tools down”, which was a comment about the government. Could you elaborate a bit more on the department's waiting and not going further and looking into the outcome of this study?

4:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Jim McIsaac

The minister didn't want the department to be conducting the same study as the standing committee. Basically, the minister told the department “tools down” on doing that. The department was doing it in two stages. One was doing a background piece, and the other part was doing interviews, which was the second stage.

They downed tools on the interview part and just continued to do the background piece. The background piece should've been presented to you guys. It was to be presented to you. That was what we were told.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

Did they tell you this publicly?

4:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Jim McIsaac

I have an email that outlines what they were to produce last year.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

Okay. I don't believe this committee has heard anything about that. We had department officials here and they did not mention that. Obviously, I think we need to bring the officials back and question them about why they haven't spoken about that.

Can you forward that email to the committee?

4:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Jim McIsaac

I certainly can.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

Thanks very much.

Again, I'm sorry that we are out of time. I'm sure all of us would be asking more questions. I really appreciate your time today.

Thank you.

4:40 p.m.

Mr. Ken McDonald (Avalon, Lib.)

The Chair

Thank you, everyone.

Thank you to our witnesses. If they want to hang around, we are going to come back after the vote. Maybe when our next presenters present, we can ask questions of everybody.

4:40 p.m.

Red Deer—Lacombe, CPC

Blaine Calkins

Mr. Chair, if we have any other questions, can we ask our witnesses to respond to them in writing? If we have them for our witnesses, would they be able to do that?

Would that be okay?

4:40 p.m.

Mr. Ken McDonald (Avalon, Lib.)

4:40 p.m.

Red Deer—Lacombe, CPC

Blaine Calkins

I'd be interested to actually hear about why DFO is being very non-transparent about where the quota is.

Ms. Sutcliffe, if you could write back or give us a response, that would be great.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Can we just confirm that those questions and answers would be part of recorded evidence?