I just wanted to talk a bit about the moral issue, a little away from the science. You and I, Senator, have a friend, Barney Williams, an elder from the Nuu-chah-nulth communities. Where I live in the Nuu-chah-nulth communities, they see the kakaw’in, which are the orcas, as the wolves of the sea, and they also see them as souls of themselves. This is very disturbing, to see cetaceans in captivity.
Can you maybe speak about indigenous lands and what you've heard from the indigenous communities?