I think there are conflicts both within the governments and between the governments. I see conflict within DFO between the science people and the management people. It's natural. It's in terms of priorities. Management's job is to provide openings and science's job is to protect fish.
It's the same thing with the province. It's even more confusing there because they have three different ministries involved. In B.C. you have the Ministry of Agriculture, which basically supports the seafood industry; the Ministry of Environment, which has jurisdiction over endangered fish; and then Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development, which manages steelhead. However, with [Technical difficulty—Editor] steelhead, there are only two staff assigned to that management. In my view, even in terms of the lack of resources, it makes co-operation very, very difficult.