I'm assuming we couldn't get him by video conference. We couldn't find the studio space, apparently, to do that, so we had to bring him in by phone. I don't know what more to tell you.
Because we can't reach Mr. Nobels yet, Mr. McIsaac, I'm going to put you down in the order and go with the other groups. Maybe Mr. Nobels will be here at that time. Is that okay?