I just wanted to add on to that by saying, you would think that, since 1992, after the moratorium was introduced and the northern cod stocks collapsed, the science would have increased to understand exactly what happened and to make sure it doesn't happen again, but the exact opposite happened; the science decreased. Mr. Etchegary used a figure a little while ago, 50% or more, and as older scientists retired, they weren't replaced. We had a scientist right here a few minutes ago who spoke about surveys being carried out when the boat is not broken down, and he wasn't joking. Most of the Canadian Coast Guard vessels, for example, that do carry out research are on average about 30-odd years old. I think there was a report carried out a little while ago to show that our vessels have actually no book value. They aren't worth anything anymore.
You had witnesses here today from both FFAW, the fisheries union, and provincial fisheries. They both said they were doing science that's within the jurisdiction of DFO because it's not being done. One of our main points for being here today is that instead of FFAW or provincial fisheries doing the job of DFO, we have to do a better job ourselves of holding the Government of Canada, DFO, to account, to make sure they carry out their responsibilities under the terms of the union.