With regard to that comment, as a former DFOer, I think it's also really hard being a DFO employee. It has been very hard being a DFO employee for the past 15 years. That's one of the things, I think, that the committee has to think about, as well, in its report. I certainly don't have a doubt because, within the department, I met outstanding fisheries biologists and professionals, but they have traditionally always been the pinch point for development and for a lot of other things. They need a bit of space, I think, to be able to do their job, basically.
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