Evidence of meeting #49 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was animals.

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MPs speaking

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Céline Hervieux-Payette  As an Individual

10 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to thank the witnesses for being here in support of this bill today.

My colleague, Mr. Doherty, briefly touched on this, and I'd like to further the issue a little more. It's about who you choose to stand beside you in announcements or in support of things. I've witnessed this in my former role in a volunteer organization protecting hunters' and anglers' rights, and so on, with signing onto letters of support or in position of one thing. I found out that it only gave credibility to an organization that, on the next move, would be opposing your activities or trying to curtail your activities as a hunter and angler. I would encourage the government members here, as witnesses, to be very careful about who you have stand beside you on things such as the MPAs. We have concerns over the recent Pacific north coast integrated management area, PNCIMA, announcement.

I agree with Ms. Jones' statements that anti-use groups, as you call them, do have some purpose, but be very cautious about giving them credibility by having them stand beside you on issues you think you can agree on. They will only turn around to bite you, you know where, the next time you want to protect hunting, harvesting rights, angling rights, and so on.

The reason I bring this up is that I come from British Columbia, and we've had major opposition against bear hunts in B.C. I'd like to ask the members, Mr. Simms, Ms. Jones, and Mr. Tootoo, if you would be willing to stand beside our B.C. members who might be supporting our bear hunt in B.C. in the same way we are supporting your traditional seal hunt?

10 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Let's break it down for a moment.

First of all, I can't comment on the bear issue to be quite honest with you. I don't feel I know enough about the issue, but if it goes against some cultural rights, I'd have great concerns about it—or what we feel would be cultural rights. We know we have many on the east coast, and therefore we always like to support them where we can.

Where it runs up against curtailing a hunt, it's probably more to do with conservation. That's where I get into that, which is why the seal harvesting issue is a frustrating one because it has nothing to do with the conservation of the species in a critical way, as it does in, for instance, the recreational cod fishery or the food fishery, as we like to call it. There are limitations on it, but those limitations have nothing to do with cruelty or anything of that matter. It's just a matter of conserving the species.

There are certain groups that I do not appear with. I'm going to be quite honest with you. The International Fund for Animal Welfare may say something that I agree with on occasion, but I will not pose with them because of the way they described the practice of what we believe is historically and culturally referenced as an act of barbarism. PETA, I don't know if I'd ever want to come within 50 feet of PETA because of the absolutely ridiculous methods by which they get the word out there. Dealing with fraud is what the Honourable Mr. Tootoo pointed out.

There are some groups, however, that I've had discussions about seal harvesting with. The World Wildlife Fund, I've had some good conversations with them. Greenpeace, there are some issues that we agree upon, such as the conservation of fish species that are at a critical stage, but I certainly wouldn't want to be a member of Greenpeace, given their history of what they've said and done regarding my region.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

If we could move on, I'll pass any remaining time.... How much time do we have left?

10:05 a.m.

The Chair

About 55 seconds.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

I'll pass my time on to Mr. Doherty, then.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

I said I had one quick question. It's for Mr. Tootoo. Then I have one other for the committee.

Mr. Tootoo, I've spent a lot of time up in your neck of the woods, and in the Yukon, too. For a point of reference, what's the cost of a jug of milk?

10:05 a.m.

Independent

Hunter Tootoo Independent Nunavut, NU

We don't have any trees up there, so you couldn't be in our neck of the woods.

10:05 a.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

That's a good point.

10:05 a.m.

Independent

Hunter Tootoo Independent Nunavut, NU

I couldn't resist. I'm sorry.

But I think it's about $10 to $12 for four litres of milk.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

There you go, $12. I wrote down the nutrition north program too, because I was on the Indian affairs committee in my previous role. We had the minister admitting that the program is broken, but we're still throwing money at it, which doesn't solve anything.

I just wanted to bring that up as a reference for those on the committee.

10:05 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

Thank you, Mr. Doherty.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Just quickly, we mentioned third-party groups. Mr. Simms, you mentioned the World Wildlife Fund. What are your thoughts on Tides Canada?

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

I'm sorry, which group?

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Tides Canada.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

I'm not familiar enough with them to give you an opinion.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Mr. Hunter—

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

But listen, I have no problems meeting with these people, if that's what you're asking. It's just a question of whether [Inaudible—Editor], and some of the things that they've said about us.

10:05 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

I have to say thank you very much.

Thank you to our witnesses, and to committee members for your questions. Thank you to our co-sponsors of the bill and to the other MPs for being here and providing your testimony.

You're more than welcome to stay. We're going to go through clause-by-clause on the bill. It will not take a long time.

If you choose to leave, I'll thank you very much for your testimony and your work on this bill.

10:05 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

Let's get back to the review of the bill. In order to do this we have the very esteemed help of our legislative clerk, Mr. Philippe Méla.

We'll move through the clauses. We have to go to the title at the end, so we'll move through to clause 2.

Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of clause 1, the short title, and the preamble, are postponed.

(Clauses 2 and 3 agreed to)

Shall the preamble carry?

10:05 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

10:05 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

Shall the short title carry?

10:05 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

10:05 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

Shall the title carry?

10:05 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.