I think a lot of these organizations do have a valuable role in our society. I don't undermine that. However, their role when it comes to promoting animal welfare has been done detrimentally to cultural and historical practices, as well as to economic viability of some communities and people who depend upon those harvests as an industry. The seal is one example of that. That's why I have been very critical of them from that perspective. That's why I see them as a group that's about the anti-use of animals more so than the welfare of animals. That's my experience with the seal industry. I can't say it if I don't believe it, because I do believe it.
PETA, for example, was one of the groups that had been probably a little less pushy, I will say, and negative towards the seal industry until recently.