I would just say that in comparison with many other countries we have a lot of science. We have consistent research vessel surveys for decades. We have universities that have done ocean science. In actual fact, I think we have enough science. Scientists always say we need more science—it's part of our self-perpetuation—but I think that we absolutely do have enough science. We also have ocean users who have been out there collecting information as well.
I would say that not doing things for science is not an excuse, and the precautionary approach and ecosystem approach are management decision-making tools to allow us to move forward in the absence of complete scientific information.