I'm afraid we'll have to stop right there.
I want to thank our guests for two very informative presentations. Too often, many of our witnesses give presentations that are general in nature. What I certainly appreciated about yours were the very practical suggestions backed up by very detailed research. I think your testimony will be very helpful to the committee as the report is developed.
With that, I'm going to suspend for a few minutes while we change to our next witnesses.
Again, thank you very much.