We've heard some converging interests this morning. It has been excellent testimony from all.
Getting back to the pure MPA, if you like, is there an argument to be made just for the scientific value of having at least a limited number of absolutely zero-activity MPAs, acknowledging that other fisheries management practices have kept the west coast in pretty good shape otherwise?
Dr. Ban, would you say that there is at least scientific value, if not preservation or conservation value, in having a pure no-take MPA?
I'll ask the others for reflection also, if there is time.