I really believe it boils down to leaning on us. This whole co-operative management approach that we've taken is supposed to be two parties coming together, but rely on the local knowledge. Rely on the local evidence that we've been compiling.
The Haida Nation, because we have a title case, has been basically compiling evidence for the last 15 years to prove title. What's in that is this unbelievable history from our elders, which is being captured in depositions of their oral history. I think that relying on those who understand it is the key for us.