Evidence of meeting #4 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was work.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Rebecca Reid  Regional Director General, Pacific Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Jen O'Donoughue  Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Andrew Thomson  Regional Director, Fisheries Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

I mean monitoring flights on the Fraser. Can you send that report back to the committee so we can take a look at that? I know they're done regularly during the fishing season to monitor how many fishermen are on the river, but how many other monitoring flights does DFO do on the river?

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Regional Director, Fisheries Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Andrew Thomson

To clarify, we do monitoring flights for stock assessment purposes and we also do monitoring flights for enforcement purposes, looking for nets and also doing counts.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Could you provide the committee with a report on all monitoring flights done on the Fraser River over the past four years?

Next, how many days were the fish transfer operations conducted last fall?

10:15 a.m.

Regional Director General, Pacific Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Rebecca Reid

I can't tell you offhand.

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Regional Director, Fisheries Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Andrew Thomson

I think we started in mid-July and we ended in the first week of September.

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Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Was it approximately two months, 60 days?

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Regional Director, Fisheries Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Andrew Thomson

Approximately.

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Regional Director General, Pacific Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Rebecca Reid

That sounds about right.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

The report said that 30,000 fish per day were passing through the slide unassisted. A quick calculation of 30,000 times 60 days would be what, 180,000 fish?

10:15 a.m.

Regional Director, Fisheries Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

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Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

No, it's 1.8 million fish.

10:15 a.m.

Regional Director General, Pacific Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Rebecca Reid

I think at certain points there were those numbers of fish passing, but you want the numbers and we'll clarify, because we have the numbers. They're a bit unclear at this point.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Thirty thousand fish per day passing unassisted is certainly a misleading report, and that's DFO's official report on the website.

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Regional Director, Fisheries Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Andrew Thomson

It is the number that passed. Once the level of the river came down to a point where natural fish passage could occur, you saw a very significant increase very quickly in the numbers of fish that could pass.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

A time reference on that report would probably be very beneficial.

Next, how many smolts will be required to restore that one lost year? How many smolts per year would need to be back in the streams to migrate back down in order to replace that loss? What would be the typical smolt output in that year class?

10:15 a.m.

Regional Director General, Pacific Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Rebecca Reid

That's a very difficult question to answer. It would depend on the productivity in the ocean, the survivability, the conditions. I can't answer that offhand.

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Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

How many smolts would typically be produced in that run class from the expected passage rate? Of the natural spawning and rearing, how many smolts would be expected to be migrating out from that year class?

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Regional Director General, Pacific Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Rebecca Reid

I'm sorry. I don't have that number.

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Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Could you provide that to the committee, please? Thank you.

Earlier you mentioned that you're looking at current DFO hatchery sites. Why are you not looking at private or NGO hatchery capacity as well, to help with the restoration?

10:15 a.m.

Regional Director General, Pacific Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Rebecca Reid

We have an enhancement team that's looking at all viable options. Where there is hatchery capacity, we'll be looking at it. However, DFO is going to need to have some management oversight of those hatcheries in order to ensure that the enhancement activities take place in the way we need.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Yes, that's understandable.

What other contingency plans are being put in place to increase the in-stream habitat to possibly boost the natural reproduction to rebuild those stocks?

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Regional Director General, Pacific Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Rebecca Reid

Related to this incident itself, we don't have any restoration activities of that nature as part of our contingency, but there are broader restoration activities going on.

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Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Then there's nothing focused on restoring these particular stocks that have been impacted so severely.

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Regional Director, Fisheries Management, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Andrew Thomson

There is an overlap, because the stocks that migrated above the slide were already stocks that in some cases were in some difficulty.

Some of our restoration activities focus on those stocks and were already focused on them prior to the slide.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

We're out. Thank you.