I don't disagree with anything we just heard there, except I want to point out that when you talk about Russia and others, they are producing a different species in the hatcheries—these huge numbers. They are not doing this with the chinook and coho. They have some hatcheries for those stocks.
We invested back in the early 1980s. We used to have hatcheries designed to produce large numbers of sockeye, pink and chum, and our program was changed to focus on recreational-type fish—chinook and coho. The huge numbers that we see elsewhere are really not comparable to what we're producing. Again, it's a different set of objectives.
Now, if you want to produce large numbers of fish that we potentially could harvest, I think there's opportunity—if the Pacific can produce them—for pink and chum. We have very successful chum hatcheries when the environment is good. We haven't done much with pinks: that's more the spawning channels. Sockeye can be too good. Our spawning channels there have different types of effects. They can have effects on the local populations, because the channels can be highly productive.