I'll step in quickly.
I illustrated at the beginning the issues around endangered stock. The minister had set limits around fishing and a max mortality in Canadian fisheries of 5%. We don't even come close in terms of management. I think, for a number of these runs in population, fishing is simply out of the question at this stage of the game.
In terms of just aquaculture or just commercial fishing, we deal with this in the wildlife world as well. “Cumulative effects” are the words of the day, and as Mr. Hwang has said and as I'm sure all of my colleagues here will tell you, it's not one thing. We have habitat issues; we have changes in the marine environment; we have aquaculture. We have a whole bunch of things. It's going to be different in different places, and the trick is to get on with it and just start looking to solutions.
As Mr. Hwang has also mentioned, DFO is a “fishing first, fish second” agency right now in terms of culture, and it needs to be fish first. That needs to be the focus; otherwise, none of us are going to get to go salmon fishing.