You would argue that if conservation is the pinnacle, then we need a rules-based system in order to govern when to take lobster and how many lobsters to take: the season, the times and so on. The previous testimony we heard from Ms. Denny talked about an alternative governance model, even though she didn't provide details about that. I'm not saying that as a criticism, because I didn't have a chance to ask her any questions, but she was talking about things such as a spiritual limit or a spiritual fulfillment and to fish until that is fulfilled.
How would you expect the Department of Fisheries and Oceans to be able to come to terms with both indigenous and non-indigenous fishers in that type of construct or concept?