Yes, conservation is a tool now. It's a tool now to infringe on the rights of indigenous people. It is one of the means that government can use to infringe.
When you're working with conservation, there are different ways to do things. It's really not that difficult to imagine different ways of conserving. It doesn't have to be a one-size approach for everything all the time. That goes back to that knowledge system approach, where the values and beliefs are just as important, and when you do value conservation but you can't agree quite how to get there, that is one significant challenge.